What do we want to reward on Hive?
I am a curator for the @ourpick project and I also curate with my own accounts and with the @ctpsb project. Everday I'm looking for at least one little pearl among all the post on hive that I believe is worth reading.
With @ph1102 and @mypathtofire that also curate in the contexte of @ourpick, my task is to find one post around the gaming topic. I start my task by filtering the content according to certain tags and then try to pick out one post per day. The funny thing is that when I do that, I encounter the same posts with the same title images every single day!
This means that plenty of people are creating the same post on a daily basis with small alterations from day to day. Often only a couple of sentences change from one day to the next and I seriously wonder why people are doing that? Why create the same post over and over again?
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Looking a bit more in dept at these posts, I see that they all get upvotes from the same sources. It's often sources where you get upvotes that are linked to owning certain tokens. So the strategy of these posts is to actually create content that nobody is interested in and make sure to own the good tokens to get some automated upvotes on these posts.
If you create 7 times the same post and you get 50 cents just for a copy paste, it can be an interesting weekly income in some parts of the world.
What is the value of these posts?
When we create content, we should always try to give some value to what we do. Can our post bring knowledge, entertainment or something else to a reader? If the answer is no, then we don't really create value.
People might argue that when they make give aways they actually create value by giving something away that other people want. Are they right? Are they wrong?
When I see that somebody copy pastes the content from the day before and then uses it day after day. Going so far as to recycle the exact same title image every day, I can't shake the feeling that there is very little effort put into the creation of the post.
When I take a deeper look and I see that in many cases the author doesn't even take the time to answer the comments on his posts. I feel kind of confirmed in my opinion.
People can do what they want, but I don't need to support that
I think that everybody is free to do what he thinks is best on the blockchain and in the end it's up to them to know how they want to spend their time on Hive. However, I think that I don't want to support such low effort posts anymore. I believe that if we support such strategies, we simply encourage others to do exactly the same.
Do we want to reward effort and creativity
There are many authors on hive that put a lot of effort into creating posts and often they are really interesting to read. These are the posts that I want to support because they bring some real value.
We have a responsability to use our hive power to take part in the orientation of hive in the future. We need to support behaviour that we want to see and I belive that effort, originality and creativity should be rewarded. I want to encourage people to become better at what they do so that we get new ideas and new faces in the trending posts.
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I cannot understand it myself, especially for those that are a long time on the chain. Logically and financially it doesn't make any sense either.
Rather than 7 no value posts, spending a similar amount of time to create 1 value post per week will likely give you similar rewards and grow your account better over the long term.
You'll understand when you find people who post a good thing that takes them a few hours to make has the same value as the no-value post just because they are new in HIVE.
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No, I still don't think so. Of course it can take time to grow your account, this is a social network after all. But posting a no effort post isn't going to get you supported by curators or attract followers whereas a high quality post is more likely to build your reputation in that community.
Yes, this is what I and you at the same page, it's fun to see account is growing. But not as them... Especially, someone who goes to crypto just only for money.
How about you see it like this: "Posting a low-effort post will get you supported for someone who has a low-effort post too and build a reputation in the low-effort post community".
I don't know if Hive has one, but it exists on Facebook and Instagram where they offer to buy followers, likes, or help each other (Like4Like, Subs4Subs, etc.). Tho, I always ignore them as they are so annoying. That's not fun at all 😂.
For me, I'm in neither of you nor them. No effort post or High effort post? I choose to post what I think it's fun. Happiness is the first thing for me 👍.
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Yes, I can agree to that. That makes sense.
In my opinion too many people are having a very short time horizon. They want to get a couple of bucks and they try to find the easiest way to get them. I think it's a pitty but I don't want to judge because everybody lives in a totally different situation and maybe they don't have the leasure to think long term, when they need to feed their family tomorrow.
Yes, that could be very true.
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Thanks for the post there are people who try hard but nothing at all.
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escoriaswho makes recycled content in order to have money.It's good that you said of that reality
pd: if those people are going to do that at least make a little effort no?
I have nothing against give aways but I think it's a bit cheap to simply recycle exactly the same content every day. A little bit of effort will go a long way.
It is a real pity
That those people do not know this concept. 😔
I don't know on the basis of what reason but once @ph1102 pick my post for curate through this project, yes you're right that you should curate post which shows effort and author might be happy when after effort he get rewards 😀
Maybe I'm wrong to see it like that but I like to reward effort because the world we live in is built around that. When we reward low effort, it has a bad feeling for me :-)
Thanks for your mention... I suppose that I picked your post because it was a GOOD one... :) And I will probably do that again if you continue with creating good content... :)
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First, sorry it's a long comment before I noticed😂
Based on someone's experience whoever told me that he quit hive after some days here.
I think this one problem will come to people who ever make an original post that took them around a few hours and no people reward them while investors got rewarded more like you said, "I see that they all get upvotes from the same sources. It's often sources where you get upvotes that are linked to owning certain tokens."
Tbh, this one is too hard to understand for someone who comes here from Facebook or X as you know that they are posting anything they want to post without think of that 🤷♂️. It's like my old self before learning how Hive social media works more like Blogspot and WordPress rather than Facebook or X.
Sometimes creative and original posts but still new in HIVE are hard to get attention. Well, even I just look out of my "Favorites" Hivers and Dashboard if I'm bored 😜. They need to get attention from someone else first before getting my attention.
From what I did a year ago, My post that I took longer to make 100% original gets less than a giveaway or alive.chat post so far 🤷♂️ >> https://peakd.com/vacation/@cursephantom/sea-view-cottage-at-anyer and https://peakd.com/fun/@cursephantom/last-day-of-trip-and. Well, I don't really mind it, I was here for fun at first... 🤔
^The experience that made me understand Hive is more like Blogspot and WordPress rather than Facebook or X. Maybe if I had known ALIVE community 1 year ago, It would be more than that 😂.
What do you think about some people who really think of making money here? It's a backlash for them and it'll make them choose more like what you said, "If you create 7 times the same post and you get 50 cents just for a copy paste, it can be an interesting weekly income in some parts of the world." There'll be also someone who thinks, "It's better 7 post and get 50 cents just for a copy-paste rather than make an original high effort with the same reward".
After many experiences, I came to a conclusion for new Hivers of what they need to find first before posting:
The third one is lucky for me. I got one when I came here. It makes me support a newcomer that I know, but sometimes my viewpoint is different from theirs. So, it's hard to comprehend.
My viewpoint:
"Never see the rewards of your posts as it'll be a backlash for you to not post again. If you want to get money, you need to work. HIVE is a place for fun."
My posts are divided into 3 types now:
Well, of course, "People can do what they want, but I don't need to support that" it's your choice. At least, don't become someone who generalizes giveaway posts as bad posts without even reading them like someone that I know. I always learned to don't judge a book by its cover. There are some interesting giveaway posts that I've ever seen that motivate me to make content in my giveaway post too 👍.
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I appreciate your long comment, thanks a lot :-). Maybe the way I wrote my post is a bit harsh but there are really a lot of users that litteraly take the content of today, make copy paste and use the same content, the same pictures with maybe another winner, the following day. When I look at your giveaways, I see that you make a big effort to bring some originality to them. You take the time to find pictures and videos that fit your posts and in this repect, I fin that you are doing a great job.
We are not all talented in creating content and it's not always easy when we do it in a foreign tongue. What I want to reward is when people put in some effort and try to improve over time. I believe that if I increase the level of what I demand for my upvotes, the people I know can actually grow and try to be better.
I think that we can achieve much more by encouraging people to become better, rather than punishing them for not being good enoug. If we want Hive to grow, we need to adapt to that and be kinder and more encouraging. Especially when we have a big stake and have some power to help people.
This one is absolutely true. It's lucky for me to find someone like you, Mr. Zoltan, Mr. Jux, and others 🤝.
Thanks for the mention! I like your previous comment... Because of it, I scrolled my posts until I found my very first posts... and some of them after... They sucked, rewards sucked too... 😂
Maybe we should do some live-stream sessions on this topic... I think it would be beneficial to many people, and especially for newbies...
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I find it strange that HiveWatchers do not notice this. Well, I never went after it either. But, as a curator at Ecency, I'm particularly wary (read: I don't usually approve of boost) when someone discusses some psychological scenes and is like a PhD in these subjects and has a low reputation. However, such posts usually have a warning that more than 50% of them are made with AI.
Maybe the ones you mentioned are just paraphrasing part of the text?
The other thing you mentioned is that in some parts of the world, it is quite an income. We who live in Europe would starve to death with what they get. F*ck that kind of globalisation...
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I feel really bad when people try to game hive either with content that they copied from somewhere or when they simply write the same post every day without puting in an ounce of effort.
In some countries, earning a couple of dollars can be life changing. So their approach to the whole thing is totally different. According to the pyramide of Maslof, we europeans have the luxury to try to improve our personality when these guys try to get some bread on the table... The world is definitely not equal and I don't want to judge these people but I want to improve hive and what is going on here. That's why I try to grow my stake :-)
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I actually feel there is something that needs to be done so as to spot authors with good content so they could get more upvotes because that is the joy of every author...
It may get boring when they are not getting what they are writing for
There are actually not so many real curation projects on hive where people are on the lookout for new promising authors. There is a gap that should be filled...
Huh... Firstly, thanks for the mention...
Secondly, I don't know where there is more fire in the post or in the comment section... But, the topic is definitely on the spot and we need a discussion about it...
Yes, curation is a hard job, and it takes time to find gems... But, that's the same in real life... It would be great if we had 90% great posts on HIVE, but that's not the case and it will not be the case...
What we can do (and what we are doing) is to reward good posts and help authors who create them to create more good posts... When we have the image that ONLY good posts are rewarded, people will (maybe) put more effort into them... But, on the other side, there are people who are okay with a few cents rewards and that's why they are doing low-effort posts... In some way, that's also okay... The problem is when you have low-effort posts receiving huge rewards which creates the illusion that low-effort content is welcomed AND WELL REWARDED..
In conclusion, I wouldn't blame (only) creators for this problem, but irresponsible curators for encouraging that content... But, these things will always exist, but our job is to reduce that to a minimum, and the best way to do it is like you said, by showing on OUR own example...
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I think you hit the nail on the preverbial head there, low-effort content being well rewarded turns Hive into a farming site that will without any Value in the Value 4 Value proposition.
Agree with that, but I'm not for "banning" those posts either... The "problem" (or advantage) of HIVE is that it is NOT Facebook, it's not Twitter, it's not Instagram, but on the other side, it is all that together!
That's why we can't penalize short content, one-image content, or similar things here if we want to be ALL that... But, we can more responsibly upvote posts...
I would agree with that 100%. Banning is a web2 thing.
So the answer is not really to go after these people and give downvotes but to offer a kind of alternative where quality content is rewarded. The thing is to figure out how to make curation more interesting for the curators.
Well, yes... I hate the downvote system on HIVE as I think that it brought more bad things than good things, but it is also "regulating" the curation... If you notice that some shitpost is downvoted, you won't upvote it again in the future because you will lose curation rewards... It incentivizes you to curate more responsibly... That's maybe one of the few positive effects of DV, but not many people think about that at all... lol..
That's not wrong. I don't like downvotes either but in this respect they show the way.
In Hive, rewards are not always fairly distributed and there are few curation programs.
Many times there is content that you can see that had an effort behind it and barely receives support, while other content that is practically copied and pasted, as you said, is over-rewarded. Many times it has to do with the tokens and others with the connections and autovotes that the user has managed to get.
As a curator, I look not only at the content but also at the engagement that the user has and even their commitment to the blockchain in the long term.
I think this is the big issue here. Most of the curation is kind of centralised and these big curation programs are defining what we see in the trending page.
That's right. That's the biggest issue and also the fact that some whales give support always to the same users, so in the trend, there are often the same ones over and over again.
Exactly, it's too easy to let the auto voters do their job.
It's really simple and human. People will go to and stick with whichever community they feel accepted in. If certain actions bring about certain results, then basic economics means the demand will be filled.
Seeing as how HIVE works differently from other media too, virality isn't always rewarded in the same way. A million clicks/views here could be worth nothing here as compared to a patron with a significant vote.
I totally agree. When you offer the opportunity, people will take it and there is nothing wrong about that. The issue in my opinion is that there should be ways where effort is more rewarded.
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Also about that recycling stuff, I think many people are not yet aware of how the platform works and the value the platform hive stand for
Yes, I don't really appreciate recycling the same stuff over and over. It's kind of low effort that doesn't bring any value.
I agree that there are a lot of people who just post the same thing every single day. For me, I prefer post about gaming most of the time. Maybe it's just because of how much I like games. I think some people just treat it as a way to earn some extra income but I still think there needs to be a part where people show some effort. There have been a lot of games that I played before but some of them were on my old computers. So while I would like to talk about them, it's rough.
I think as long as we do what we like and we don't do it just for the money, we will always put in some effort.
This is absolutely wrong, in this way, a person will never be successful on this platform, after all, he will get downvoted here, so it is better that a person works hard and works hard day and night and then success. If he gets it, it is his own pleasure.
In my opinion the downvote is the worst possible outcome because once people are on the radar of the big accounts, they are kind of doomed. So it's better to show other ways to succeed.
Yeah I totally agree with you.
Hmm I know what you mean... But I guess I just do my thing and not be bothered by what others are doing...
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Yeah, I agree!
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I really haven't noticed or come across such post where someone creates 7 times and get 50cents for it, 7 times post is it per day or week?
Well i think people can go extra mile to get a pretty dame easy income, i bet these people must be using Ai or alternatively bots..
Good thing you've come to realize that the authors who put effort should be the ones getting rewarded and not the other way around.
I think it all comes down to the communities you follow. It's not as bad everywhere I believe.
Ohhh haven't come across those in the communities am following though,
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