Thinking aloud of a new strategy: Recouping fees when turning fiat to HBD? Even locking profits?

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I have been thinking of stashing some HBD away to earn the 20% interest per year. This should be part of my profit-taking strategy.

But as you may know, turning fiat to crypto incurs some percentages of fees. This would mean that the actual profit earned through the HBD interest could be lesser.


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Anyway, this is a strategy I am thinking about, which I think could help complete the transfer from fiat to crypto HBD with as little loss as possible.

It will involve buying Hive, which could possibly go down in value, but it is fine with me as I can afford to use it to power up to boost my account for the longer term if it did.

This is how it might go.

First, I need to buy Hive using my credit card using TRANSAK.

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Based on the above: USD 100 to 259.19 HIVE = Price of Hive as $0.3858.

Clearly, that is more expensive than the current rate ($.0.358280), based on what is shown in the internal market.

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Exactly, how much will be lost if the newly purchased Hive is sold immediately at the Hive market?

For every Hive, $0.3858 - $0.358280, i.e., $0.02752 will be lost. That is 7.13% of the buying price, based on this: $0.02752 / $0.3858.

In other words, the cost of transferring fiat to HDB using this method is a loss of 7.13% immediately.

I would need to set a selling price of $0.3858 in order not to incur the loss. That is what I should do if I wanted to recoup my fees when converting from fiat to crypto HBD.

7.13% hike might not be a long wait, especially if the price spike suddenly. Having the sell order set up and hit could help me recoup the fees.

Since I am already taking some risk, because that might not happen, I might as well consider setting the selling price higher to lock in some profits.

Say, I can set to sell Hive at 20% profit, i.e. when Hive hits $0.3858 x 120%, i.e. $0.4629, sell all. That way I would have turned my USD 100 into USD 120.

Once that is activated, park the $120 into HDB savings to earn the 20% interest. Supposed that happens within a year, I would have earned my 20% sooner, and simply let it stay as HBD subsequently.

Of course, my goals and situation could be different from yours. I am coming from the angle of regular DCA with a small amount, with the intention of locking profits to store in HBD for the 20% interest.

I believe when the price moves up, I could reduce the cost of converting fiat to HBD this way. Even if it dips further from the selling price, I am ok to turn my Hive into HP, because I am supposed to DCA in this bear market to the point that I hit my target of 10000 HP anyway. That would be a losing bet, but I believe the risk is already reduced due to DCA.

If you have a better strategy, I would love to hear it!

P/S: This is not financial advice, and please do your own due diligence before investing.

If you read this far... and if you are a like-minded Hiver who is on the path to learning more about Hive and crypto investing, and if you like to be tagged when I write such posts, I welcome you to leave a comment below and let me know. We can form an alliance to support each other's growth.

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Fuck I've never thought about the fees involved🙄 you've got a solid point here😂 shit...

I did do something of the sorts a few weeks ago. Had to sell it again but shit Thinking of it I might have lost😂🙈

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Yeah.. in the bull market I mostly ignored the fees. But in a bear market it’s a different story.

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I think the proft will be only less when after taking the interest in HBD you swap them back to Hive. Otherwise to my understanding you're taking out clean dollars...?... !LUV
If you don't want to take out the HBD and you want to power up, in my opinion, it's better (no financial advice) to choose at the time of posting to get paid in HP for 100%. If you want both keep, 50% - 50% like it is...

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I might not have understood why you want to buy HBD with Fiat?...

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To save it to earn 20% interest.

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You're right, I've been reconsidering and overseeing this part... What if you put your normal EUR / USD savings in HBD with 20% interest. How much (which %) one would have saved after costs. I'll have to read your post carefully again, and see the results of your investigation... !PIZZA

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I am also bothered by the cost too. All the best!

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Did you check my later answers as well? In the worst case there's still 12-13% left if I remember well and if I didn't mistake. I think that is more than worth it already IF we can swap back HBD to USD/USDT/BUSD all the time and this would be without (big) costs... !LUV

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I'm back here with a couple of questions...

  1. you buy Hive with your credit card and have 4,24 USD on fees for a 100 USD buy (can I assume the cost is about 4%? or is it 4,24 USD when buying for a 1000 USD?)
    Q: Isn't it a lot cheaper when you put your fiat in a platform like Binance, buy USDT or BUSD and use these to buy your Hive? I cannot imagine that the cost would be 4 USD for 100 USD worth in Hive?....
  2. *Say, I can set to sell Hive at 20% profit, i.e. when Hive hits $0.3858 x 120%, i.e. $0.4629, sell all. That way I would have turned my USD 100 into USD 120. *
    Q: don't you forget to calculate the 7,13% loss. Meaning you would have been turning your 100 USD into 112,87 USD?
  3. Q: Is it worth to take the "risk" of waiting till Hive is going up 20% (which seems a lot to me in a bear market) before putting it in the HBD account and earn 20% from it? I mean the time that you're waiting for Hive to go up 20% you aren't earning anything; if you put it into HBD inmediately and leave it there for a year, you'd have been earning a certain 12,87% (assuming that your costs were in percentages, otherwise more), which isn't bad at all in my opinion. IF...
  4. Q: HBD always can be swapped back to USD (and is there a cost for this?)

Anyway a very interesting point you touched here; I wonder what @savvytester and @toofasteddie think about this and if they would as well like to give their opinionand answer on my 4 questions...
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4% in fees when trading using FIAT is normal, however, I think is cheaper when you buy USDT with FIAT and then you buy HIVE

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That's what I thought and would do as well, indeed. Hence this is cutting already a big part of the costs and leaves a higher percentage (closer to the 20%) @toofasteddie , in your opinion, and without giving financial advice !LOL, would you recommend to convert Fiat savings to HBD and take the 20% minus costs rather than investing these same fiat savings in something else. And (please feel free not to answer this question if you don't want to): are you doing this yourself?

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As you said, I'm not going to answer about what I'm doing with my Fiat, however, I think that "parking" some fiat in HBD it's a good idea that many are putting into practice. For the moment, I already put a lot of my TETHER in HBD savings getting this amazing 20% apr (not only in my main account but distributed in other secondary ones as well)
This is something you have to decide for yourself.

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You're right, everybody needs to decide for himself. but I think it's good to listen to strategies of other people and to take the best out of it for yourself...

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Damn... But I didn't see the comment that they did not boost it and are giving me back my points... !LUV

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