What are the biggest problems on Hive?

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What are in your opinion the biggest problems on Hive at the moment?

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I believe that one of Hive's biggest problems still remains the amount of terms, words and actions we have in our ecosystem, that is, for those who enter, to learn so many things, sometimes complex ones (if we look at someone who doesn't have as much affinity with technology) is still a big challenge.

We have things like token, hive, hive power, vote, downvote, reblog, post formatting, where to post, what tags to use, what is good to write, what you can do and what you can't, delegation, second layer token, APR, FOMO, among others, I still think we need to facilitate the entry of new people and we cannot just think that to enter, the person has to have some familiarity with technology, they have to be as inclusive as possible, therefore, I think that for Hive to grow, it has to be easy for a 10 year old child to an 80 year old, this is the challenge.

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I agree with you that the learning barrier is pretty high for people. You need almost to take a course before you can even get started on hive and it's actually not that easy to find the necessary information when you are looking for. It seems that in this respect, we haven't made any progress recently.

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That's exactly it, I think we need to improve on this, a way of attracting and keeping users who have just joined, people who already have technical knowledge of computers or the internet suffer when they join Hive, imagine those who have greater difficulty? So we need to grow, think big, make things easier and then I believe we'll have a bigger Hive.

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I'm surprised something like Hive Guide wasn't done for the wider Hive platform to help with the learning curve.

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Yes, that would help a lot :-)

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The biggest problem? Social acceptance and popularity? Well... as a social media, Hive isn't popular enough with non-crypto people.
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Hive isn't popular enough with non-crypto people.

The problem I see is that people don't know about Hive and if they learn about it, they loose patience quite quickly. So I agree with you, it's not popular enough and not user friendly enough.

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The lack of exposure to normal people. I think it's social media aspects should be advertised more.

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It's true that there is hardly any new blood coming to hive lately. Even people within the crypto world have no idea bout hive...

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I think too many "regulators" here are scaring newbies away from posting on HIVE. All their self enforced rules when there aren't supposed to be any at all are driving away the numbers that HIVE needs to get traction. Who cares about using AI to write/draw and having to write every post like a research paper with accreditation and references. 🫠

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I'm not big friend of these called regulators. Once they have you in the crossfire you can just close your account down...

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and having to write every post like a research paper with accreditation and references

Comes off as elitism, doesn't it?

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For me, it's mass media adoption. The sooner the better. More users would make Hive prosper a bit faster.

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We definitely need more people joining hive. Withe the bearmarket the number of users rather decreased than increased.

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That's the genuine way of having success.

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Now I'm curious about what issues you guys have discussed hehe 😅

Hive has a pretty small user base for a social media (it doesn't seem like one for most people). For a noob, it is complex and overwhelming. Hope things will get a bit more simplified and be friendly to newbies especially those who are not familiar with Web 3 and stuff.

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Now I'm curious about what issues you guys have discussed hehe

The problems that we are talking about seem to be pretty different from the ones that we read here :-).

I agree that things need to become easier and simpler for people who start here.

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Crypto is still funny money for lot of people. Nothing physical like money or gold.

People who are ready to explore end up with lot of jargons, public and private keys, security etc. Also there are so many social blockchains and it's crypto which sometimes lead to bad experience and then the genuine ones are left unexplored.

Many don't know the layers of Hive and ways to earn. They do try and when they don't see results they just leave.
I have seen many who don't even take the first step as it feels like too much.

I think many who come through specific niche also don't get support. They are just left to figure things out by themselves.

Upvoting / posting / curation require time and effort.

Hive as a ecosystem is good, but for a layman it's too technical.
Even with web2 ways of signup, it's still feels daunting.

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I have seen many who don't even take the first step as it feels like too much.

That's true. I think this is not just something true about hive. People are often not really willing to try to learn something new or immerse themselves in something that requires efforts...

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As of now, some of the major challenges faced by the Hive community include scalability, user adoption, and content discovery.
With an increasing number of users and transactions, the network's scalability is being tested, leading to potential congestion and slower performance.
Despite the innovative features and decentralized nature of Hive, attracting new users and ensuring widespread adoption remains a challenge.
Additionally, efficient content discovery mechanisms are crucial for users to find and engage with relevant content amidst the abundance of information on the platform.

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efficient content discovery mechanisms are crucial for users to find and engage with relevant content

Hive is definitely not that strong in this respect. A part from the trending page, there isn't really that much you can do to find the content that you would like...

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It should be improved in this aspect, sometimes it is not easy to find the specific content you are looking for.

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I think the complexity of the technical thing on Hive becomes the main problem since that will also affect the other aspects. I have tried to onboard a few friends but was deterred by even the basic function on Hive, too much for them to handle in the first place and makes them quite easily.
Also because of the technical aspect that they do not understand very well, could easily become a subject for a downvote which will then chase them out.

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Also because of the technical aspect that they do not understand very well, could easily become a subject for a downvote which will then chase them out.

I'm no fan of downvotes also for this reason. Somebody who writes his second post and gets downvoted because he doesn't know the "rules" of the platform will quickly be discouraged...

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I think there aren't many major issues, we do get a little abuse/spam here and there once in a while but I think they resolve themselves after a while. At current Hive prices, I think it differentiates people are who are believers of Hive vs those who just want to "get rich quick". A lot of friends that I know from two years ago have either stopped playing Splinterlands or stopped writing on Hive because the price of Hive is so low. They will probably be back when Hive is up again hahaha!

Maybe something I feel is an issue is the Layer 2 tokens/tribe tokens. There are just too many that were launched with a lot of promise and potential and subsequently failed because the founder gave up or disappeared. Which is kinda sad.

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They will probably be back when Hive is up again hahaha!

That's really possible. When prices go up, suddenly some old friends are back creating content on hive :-)

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compared to wordpress, drupal, or joomla in term of blogging, I think HIVE has far left behind.

let's start with display... we can not custom our theme, be different with others, all depend on which UI you use, inleo, peakd, ecency or others...

we can not leave some pluggin which allow not users to leave message (moderated of course, else spambot will eat it).. or maybe our own adsense spot.

there is simplicity that HIVE can offer while those web 2.0 can not give, but thats the only variable

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On a purely blogging side, I believe that the CMS's that you present present more features but it's often not really free. You need hosting and a domain to even get started. On hive, once you have an account, you can start earning from your content.

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The biggest problem is lack of interaction. This stems from a surplus of content creators and a lack of general content consumption. Interaction may be relatively high in certain communities but, again, it is very niche.

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I totally agree with you. We have a lot of content creation and very little interaction. I have the feeling also that the effort put in the content is lower than in the past and that the content is often not really worth consuming...

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I used to think hive is complex when I was a newbie. It was hard to learn like where to begin, what those keys are or do, text formatting and all.

For a person who never been in crypto before or coming for first time it could be very confusing to begin with and I guess this is probably one reason why hive as a social media isn't so popular yet and that's the problem imo.

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It's not easy to compete with web 2.0 platforms when it comes to ease of use and not everybody wants to create long form content.

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For me, the main problem is the lack of accessible and understandable information for those who arrive new. Also the fear that is promoted by imposing rules with little meaning when on the other hand we promote freedom of expression. It is not supported with tact but punishments are given to the one who is confused, always assuming that you are guilty and having to prove your innocence.
To begin with, with this we already have enough work to do. 😌

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Also the fear that is promoted by imposing rules with little meaning when on the other hand we promote freedom of expression.

I find it doubious that some entities are policing the content creators with powerful downvotes. It would be enough to make people aware of their mistakes and help them learn along the way. Otherwise we just scare everybody away.

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Absolutely agree with you. I prefer teaching the “right” way instead of punishing the “bad” one.

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The main problem is accessibility. Hive requires a learning curve and we are not in a world where people are willing to learn.
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we are not in a world where people are willing to learn.

Unfortunately that is definitely true...

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We seem to have fewer debates than before (other than in some communities like Splinterlands and not only). In a decentralized ecosystem, debates are a sign of health and the best way forward. Fewer debates means either people stop caring, or they move on or they get involved in niche communities and lost interest for the whole. Developing pace slowing down is another sign that I don't like.

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That's a very good point that I totally agree with. There are less discussions, less building, less interactions and it sometimes feels like a sinking ship...

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Let's hope the bull market will change the sentiment and the level of engagement, but who knows?

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Perhaps it's complacency? Although, Leo seems to always be moving forward.

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Perhaps it's complacency?

In some cases, I believe it is.

Particular projects are moving forward, but we need to see a wider growth and rising interest.

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Fewer debates means either people stop caring, or they move on or they get involved in niche communities and lost interest for the whole.

This could be the case, but there is another view on that... Very often, questions raised are understood as an attack on someone's integrity, while that's not the case... We all want the best for HIVE (I hope), but not all are willing to discuss it...

I remember the time when Top20 whales were coming out and talking with the community, while today, you can't find a trace of them... 😞 As a result of that, people think exactly like you... that they don't care... and that could be a huge problem at the biggest token holders don't care...

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This could be the case, but there is another view on that... Very often, questions raised are understood as an attack on someone's integrity, while that's not the case... We all want the best for HIVE (I hope), but not all are willing to discuss it...

Well, in a dictatorship you can't say anything publicly (and sometimes "privately" neither) about the dictator. In a decentralized system, discussions are normal. It matters how you ask, that's true, personal attacks are a discussion killer.

I remember the time when Top20 whales were coming out and talking with the community, while today, you can't find a trace of them... 😞 As a result of that, people think exactly like you... that they don't care... and that could be a huge problem at the biggest token holders don't care...

@town-hall is a good way to restart discussions with them as well. And for them to show up. Especially witnesses who aren't visible regularly.

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For me, it is a little pity that many good information is being shared in the community but it is still within the community where there is a lack of new people added. Hope there'll be more campaigning to bring in more people after the Splinterlands influx.

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Since the Splinterlands rush, there are few new faces here around and you can feel that. It would be great to see a new influx into the chain.

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I think it's adoption and searching for content. I feel that adoption is quite slow and onboarding into the ecosystem is rough. There are too many things to know about Hive and it's not simple. At the same time, searching for content is also hard. There is no good way to look for specific posts other than using google.

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I feel that adoption is quite slow and onboarding into the ecosystem is rough.

I agree with you and what is worse is that nothing is done about it for quite some time.

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Adaption / visibility is definitely something we have to work on but I think retention is the biggest difficulty.
People have to post qualitative content for earning a couple of cents while they see whales automatically earn tens of $ for sometimes way less quality..

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I believe that the distribution of wealth isn't balanced at the moment.

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Actually, I don't know what to say here. Speaking for myself, I'm not a gamer, I don't know how to trade crypto, I came here seven years ago now (Steemit included) because I wanted to see how much I could or could actually be worth by blogging. And now I am where I am.
At first I thought that one of the biggest problems for newcomers was the complex structure and that you had to learn quite a lot. But whoever wants to and has the desire will learn it already, because the support (at least at Ecency, I don't know about other front-ends) is very good. Maybe we need to look at the ratio between how many join and how many give up, because it's not easy money here, you have to work a bit harder.
Spam and AI are not a big problem at all.
I don't see why Hive should suddenly grow even faster either. Hive is self-sufficient. Now, for someone to take advantage of some opportunities and others don't because they don't know how or can't, that will never be solved.
The only thing I personally miss is that I cannot buy a Hive directly on the Hive network by fiat, but I need a few bypasses.
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The only thing I personally miss is that I cannot buy a Hive directly on the Hive network by fiat, but I need a few bypasses.

That would definitely be very helpful. But maybe it's even possible over pead I think. You have this frame on the right bottom:

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Thanks for info. But... huge fees with credit cards and they don't support Mastercard I have.

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Hive as a chain has some problems like other chains but they are all solvable.
Hive as a social network is not taking off because it has very strict and arbitrary publishing rules that alienate the majority of users.

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Hive as a social network is not taking off because it has very strict and arbitrary publishing rules that alienate the majority of users.

I quite agree with that. The rules are one thing but they should be easily visible for everybody and they are not unfortunately.

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The main problem with Hive is that 37 accounts control over 50% of all hive.
This makes people understand that just a few people really control the system. Any of those accounts could crash Hive quickly. This leads a lot of people to not want to put too many eggs in one basket.

Source: https://peakd.com/hive-133987/@arcange/hive-statistics-20231121-en

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It's true that the concentration of Hive power in a few accounts can be seen as a problem. It can create a sense of centralization in what is supposed to be a decentralized platform. But do you really believe it is in the interest of these few powerful stakeholders to crash Hive? The most important thing is not how many whales there are but how committed they are to Hive.

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What I don't understand is the reaction of some of these peoples at the top that believe that the reward pool is too big for the user base. They prefer to upvote 10 times a comment from hbd.funder rather than upvote the content creators. In my opinion this makes just sure that they stay at the top of the pyramide. I'm not sure that this is for the good of the chain. We lament that not more people come to hive but taking such a big part of the reward pool away is ceraintly not helping to make Hive more attractive.

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I agree that it is not in their interest to hurt Hive. But life happens and some things out of their control such as divorce or death can have unintended consequences.

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I also see that as a major problem. Especially when some of these people decide that the reward pool is too big for the user base and act accordingly.

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Haven't been here long enough to recognize any "big" issues I have with Hive since I am pretty much enjoying my time here so far! One thing that I do see is that there are "bigger players" here that have been on the platform for a long time and their influence is huge. Therefore, rewards are not usually given based on the quality of content. Just some observations.

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One thing that I do see is that there are "bigger players" here that have been on the platform for a long time and their influence is huge

I agree with you on that :-)

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Well, my biggest problem is when different front ends do not work together (esp. Hive-Engine and related dApps). I had my issue with leodex and later on found out where the issue was. (Thankfully the issue has now been resolved. I did wait two weeks.) I hope that down the line all different Hive-based dApps will work seamlessly with one another.

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There can definitely be some issues there. I'm happy to hear that your issue has been resolved :-)

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Some things that I think could be improved are for more of the bigger whales to support communities to get up and running to help them bring new people to Hive. I think also the lack of development on the Dapps is a huge issue compared to other web3 platforms, we have basically just 1 mobile app on Hive dedicated to consuming content. (Ecency). Where are all the other mobile apps?

One major problem I have is that we have some people whos actions on Hive, show the chain in a bad light.

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Where are all the other mobile apps?

I agree with you, there is so little development in this direction...

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The response from many is the classic issues of onboarding, retention, and the fact that at first glance Hive can be overwhelming. These are all issues, true.

But for me, there is an even bigger issue and that is the quality of much of the content. And that's a big problem because when someone approaches Hive for the first time the first impression they get is that besides being complicated, there's a lot of very low-quality content.

Another issue and a bit in line with what was mentioned above is that 50% of the HP is in a few accounts, which means that the decentralization is in words and not in deeds. And worse when many of those accounts always upvote the same users. Or they can decide if someone is what they consider an over-rewarded author and act accordingly with rewards. I think it is very important that the economics of HP in Hive change and it is the medium accounts that are the majority so that there is a less concentrated distribution of HP. The problem is that I'm not sure we are heading towards that situation in the short to medium term.

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Another issue and a bit in line with what was mentioned above is that 50% of the HP is in a few accounts, which means that the decentralization is in words and not in deeds.

That is a very good point and I think for the sake of decentralisation there should be a better distribution starting from the very top

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I think some of the points that negatively impact the hive are:

Clearer terms and conduct, sometimes someone who is new or doesn't do something they shouldn't, is punished and ends up leaving the hive, dialogue is sometimes the best solution.

Another point is the difficulty in explaining how the entire ecosystem works clearly, quickly and objectively.

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Clearer terms and conduct

These terms should be visible on all front-ends and easily found. It would be great if a new user had a kind of tutorial when he starts.

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The biggest problem is probably that it's a niche network in the scheme of things, so basically lack of popularity. That's not to say it's the only issue, just trying to stick to the biggest one :D

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I agree with you on that... We can work on that by creating diversified content and supporting good authors... I do believe that it all begins with us, Hivians...

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